Yep! Jenna Freedman | Associate Director of Communications & Zine Librarian LeFrak 111 | zines.barnard.edu | @barnlib <http://twitter.com/barnlib> | https://jennafreedman.youcanbook.me she, her <http://zines.barnard.edu> On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 10:21 AM, Milo <milo@qzap.org> wrote: > I'm in! 12:00 EDT/11:00 CDT? > > -- > Milo Miller > Co-Founder > the Queer Zine Archive Projecthttp://www.qzap.orgmilo@qzap.org > > On 6/2/16 6:59 PM, Jenna Freedman wrote: > > Hey pals, > > Some of this convo is beyond my expertise. I hope we can talk it out more > though on the call on Saturday. Is everyone in for that? Allison, I'll text > you a reminder! > > Jenna > > > Jenna Freedman | Associate Director of Communications & Zine Librarian > LeFrak 111 | zines.barnard.edu | @barnlib <http://twitter.com/barnlib> | > https://jennafreedman.youcanbook.me > she, her > > On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 5:49 PM, Elissah Becknell < > <Elissah.Becknell@minneapolis.edu>Elissah.Becknell@minneapolis.edu> wrote: > >> Hello everyone, >> >> >> >> Thanks for the updates about something you already discussed in the ZUC >> meetings (which I hope to attend this summer). Sorry for dredging up the >> past. >> >> >> >> I really like the idea of ZineWiki as the Union Catalog with infoboxes as >> the Authority Control. I thought this was, perhaps, where Jenna was going >> with the infoboxes. >> >> >> >> However, it sounds like there are 2 lines of thinking that need to be >> reconciled (quoting Allison because it was great): >> >> >> >> We've talked about ZineWiki in the context of two conversations: >> >> - Authority control for zine titles and zinesters (ZineWiki article URL >> becomes the URI) >> >> - ZineWiki *as* the union catalog. In this approach, we've talked about >> using infoboxes for structured/linked data a la wikidata, and using >> categories or a similar construct for holdings information. >> >> >> >> I think we might be bumping up against a technology question: Can >> ZineWiki do infoboxes and can these infoboxes be managed (or at least >> collected) on the backend? >> >> -If so, we have an Authority File! >> >> -If not, we might need to have a more traditional wiki structure: Author >> Pages and Zine Title Pages (with links in between), and these are the >> Authorities. Also, I see a lot of “Other” Pages on Zine Wiki, neither >> Author nor Zine title. That might need to be considered in this brave new >> Zine Authorities world. >> >> >> >> Beyond the Authority question, I’m not seeing exactly where zine metadata >> goes on Zine Wiki unless we agree to some entry standards on Zine Pages. >> Many Zine Pages have all this wonderful narrative description that I >> wouldn’t want to overlay with the more technical description of a zine >> catalog record. The two types of data could share a page. Or, we simply >> attach holding information to Zine Pages (which could be links to “Zine >> Library Pages” on ZineWiki), and keep our zine bibliographic data in our >> individual catalogs. >> >> >> >> Jenna had initially asked for help with an XML export, but now I see that >> we need to figure out this structure thing first. As a cataloger, I see >> lots of possibilities, but I probably need to follow rules. >> >> >> >> I think I’ve wrapped my brain around that, I’m sorry for being so out of >> the loop. >> >> >> >> Thanks everyone! >> >> Elissah Becknell >> >> Librarian & Instructor >> >> Minneapolis Community & Technical College Library >> >> 1501 Hennepin Avenue/Minneapolis, MN 55403 >> >> 612-200-5334 >> >> <elissah.becknell@minneapolis.edu>elissah.becknell@minneapolis.edu >> >> >> >> *From:* Milo [mailto:milo@qzap.org] >> *Sent:* Saturday, May 28, 2016 4:02 PM >> *To:* Allison Jai O'Dell < <ajodell@gmail.com>ajodell@gmail.com>; Jenna >> Freedman <jfreedma@barnard.edu> >> *Cc:* Elissah Becknell < <Elissah.Becknell@minneapolis.edu> >> Elissah.Becknell@minneapolis.edu>; dan10things@gmail.com >> *Subject:* Re: ZineWiki Update >> >> >> >> I'm all for low-hanging fruit and egalitarinism. :-) >> I've also been poking a bit a the infobox notion, and it seems like they >> can also be created/controlled locally by templates. I haven't yet figured >> out of those templates are linked or centrally managed by Wikipedia or if >> they can be created and maintained locally. I just don't understand the >> MediaWiki file structure. Anyway, if the latter is the case then it seems >> like something totally manageable without worrying about Wikipedians. >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Milo Miller >> >> Co-Founder >> >> the Queer Zine Archive Project >> >> http://www.qzap.org >> >> milo@qzap.org >> >> On 5/28/16 2:48 PM, Allison Jai O'Dell wrote: >> >> Yes, we talked (and worried!) about it. Your summary is accurate, Jenna. >> >> >> >> I wonder if we could bring the conversation back to our use cases. >> Linked data facilitates two things: semi-easier data integration and SEO. >> But we *still* need a front-end union catalog for discovering zines across >> collections. >> >> >> >> We've talked about ZineWiki in the context of two conversations: >> >> - Authority control for zine titles and zinesters (ZineWiki article URL >> becomes the URI) >> >> - ZineWiki *as* the union catalog. In this approach, we've talked about >> using infoboxes for structured/linked data a la wikidata, and using >> categories or a similar construct for holdings information. >> >> >> >> Now, I said let's talk about our user stories because we could >> abandon/postpone the linked data aspect and still achieve a union catalog >> through ZineWiki. We're all busy, and this seems like low-hanging fruit >> while still being egalitarian and envelope-pushing in terms of cooperative >> cataloging / mutual metadata creation. >> >> >> >> Thoughts? >> >> Allison >> >> >> >> On Sat, May 28, 2016 at 3:16 PM, Jenna Freedman < <jfreedma@barnard.edu> >> jfreedma@barnard.edu> wrote: >> >> Hey Elissah, >> >> I *think* we talked about that very thing but worried that Wikipedians >> would reject most zine/zinester entries. I know Alex Wrekk had a hard time >> getting her entry to stand, and she's one of America's best known (i.e., >> "notable") zine makers. Does anyone see a workaround for this or another >> way into DBpedia??? >> >> Jenna >> >> >> Jenna Freedman | Associate Director of Communications & Zine Librarian >> LeFrak 111 | zines.barnard.edu | @barnlib <http://twitter.com/barnlib> | >> <https://jennafreedman.youcanbook.me>https://jennafreedman.youcanbook.me >> >> she, her >> >> >> >> On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 2:03 PM, Elissah Becknell < >> Elissah.Becknell@minneapolis.edu> wrote: >> >> >> Hello Jenna, >> >> Not to throw a wrench in your info boxes plans, but I wonder if we should >> consider an alternative? >> >> Wikipedia info boxes are stored as linked data in DBpedia. If we figured >> our a way to create the infrastructure on the back end of >> Zinewiki/Wikimedia, we could harvest Wikipedia infoboxes from DBpedia. >> >> Like your Mimi Nguyen example: >> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mimi_Thi_Nguyen> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mimi_Thi_Nguyen >> >> Here is an article about the process of harvesting infobox data: >> Mohamed Morsey, Jens Lehmann, Sören Auer, Claus Stadler, Sebastian >> Hellmann, (2012) "DBpedia and the live extraction of structured data from >> Wikipedia", Program: electronic library and information systems, Vol. 46 >> Iss: 2, pp.157 – 181 < >> http://jens-lehmann.org/files/2012/program_el_dbpedia_live.pdf> >> >> I was going to spend some time looking into this next week. I'm on a >> much needed vacation this week. >> >> http://wiki.dbpedia.org/about >> >> I'm wondering what other Zine Union Catalog people this of this? >> Creating this linkage is a very semantic web thing to do. It's also work. >> And, honestly, I don't know how to create more structured data (infoboxes) >> without first creating them in Wikipedia. I don't know what it would take >> to make Zinewiki a hub for DBpedia to harvest structured data. >> >> If we don't do this linked data approach, I completely understand. I >> just thought I would put it out there to the group. >> >> Cheers! >> Elissah >> ________________________________________ >> From: Dan Halligan < <dan10things@gmail.com>dan10things@gmail.com> >> Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2016 12:42:39 PM >> To: Jenna Freedman >> Cc: Allison Jai O'Dell; Milo; Elissah Becknell >> Subject: Re: ZineWiki Update >> >> >> I think we need to work on ZineWiki's help pages, Wikis have gotten a >> lot more robust since they were written and also some of the files >> linked in them are broken. I can look into it in a few weeks, but I'm >> doing press and promotions for the NW Pinball & Arcade Show and it's >> in 2 weekends, my life is insanely busy right now. I updated the main >> page to say that ZineWiki is up and running well again and people >> should resume editing and article creation. >> >> In June I think we should go back to featuring a new zine every month >> as the lead article so it starts looking different and updated when >> people visit. >> >> On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 10:25 AM, Jenna Freedman < <jfreedma@barnard.edu> >> jfreedma@barnard.edu> wrote: >> > Sorry--doing some research after the fact. We'll look into it the help >> > pages! >> > >> > Jenna Freedman | Associate Director of Communications & Zine Librarian >> > LeFrak 111 | zines.barnard.edu | @barnlib | >> > <https://jennafreedman.youcanbook.me> >> https://jennafreedman.youcanbook.me >> > she, her >> > >> > On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 1:17 PM, Jenna Freedman < >> <jfreedma@barnard.edu>jfreedma@barnard.edu> >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> Do any of you know if we need to do anything to ZineWiki to get it to >> >> render info boxes? >> >> >> >> We tried adding one to the Mimi Nguyen entry to no avail. >> >> >> >> Jenna >> >> >> >> Jenna Freedman | Associate Director of Communications & Zine Librarian >> >> LeFrak 111 | zines.barnard.edu | @barnlib | >> >> <https://jennafreedman.youcanbook.me> >> https://jennafreedman.youcanbook.me >> >> she, her >> >> >> >> On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 2:10 PM, Dan Halligan < >> <dan10things@gmail.com>dan10things@gmail.com> >> >> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> Oh, one other problem ZineWiki has experienced in the last year is a >> >>> bot registering user after user continuously. Which has led to a >> >>> massive fake userbase wasting serve space and leads to spam entries. >> >>> If it's possible set up user registration to deter that, it would be >> >>> awesome. If you look log of recent changes you will see what I mean, >> >>> every 3-4 minutes a new fake user is being created: >> >>> <http://zinewiki.com/Special:RecentChanges> >> http://zinewiki.com/Special:RecentChanges >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 10:29 AM, Allison Jai O'Dell < >> <ajodell@gmail.com>ajodell@gmail.com> >> >>> wrote: >> >>> > Hooray for all of this! I can take over as admin, unless you want >> the >> >>> > fun >> >>> > of it, Milo! Working towards a May 30 writing deadline, so I will >> jump >> >>> > in >> >>> > after that. >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > Allison >> >>> > >> >>> > On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 10:52 AM, Jenna Freedman < >> <jfreedma@barnard.edu>jfreedma@barnard.edu> >> >>> > wrote: >> >>> >> >> >>> >> That is great happy wonderful news!!! >> >>> >> >> >>> >> My student intern started today, and I'm going to have them work on >> >>> >> info >> >>> >> boxes. My next step might be figuring out an XML export. I could >> use >> >>> >> help >> >>> >> from Allison or Elissah maybe, advising me how to ask for it and of >> >>> >> which >> >>> >> department. (I can also ask Billey for help on the "who" >> question.") >> >>> >> >> >>> >> Jenna >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> Jenna Freedman | Associate Director of Communications & Zine >> Librarian >> >>> >> LeFrak 111 | zines.barnard.edu | @barnlib | >> >>> >> <https://jennafreedman.youcanbook.me> >> https://jennafreedman.youcanbook.me >> >>> >> she, her >> >>> >> >> >>> >> On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 10:02 AM, Milo < <milo@qzap.org> >> milo@qzap.org> wrote: >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> Hi All, >> >>> >>> I wanted to send out a "good news everyone!" update about >> ZineWiki. >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> Over the weekend Denny sent the keys to the castle and his >> blessings, >> >>> >>> so >> >>> >>> we now have the ability to work directly on the ZW site. >> Currently >> >>> >>> it's >> >>> >>> being hosted at Hurricane Electric, and Jerianne is paying for the >> >>> >>> hosting. >> >>> >>> It is my understanding that she would be willing to keep doing so >> for >> >>> >>> the >> >>> >>> time being. The domain itself (zinewiki.com) is registered >> through >> >>> >>> Hover.com(Tucows) and registration renews in August. Currently >> she >> >>> >>> is >> >>> >>> renewing it annually, but we certainly could extend it to 2 or 5 >> >>> >>> years. >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> Anyway, last night, with Eric's help and guidance, I was able to >> >>> >>> repair >> >>> >>> the broken table in the database, so the search function is now >> >>> >>> working, and >> >>> >>> folks should be able to add pages at will. We were also able to >> make >> >>> >>> a >> >>> >>> backup of the site and of the database (900mb and 1.3gb >> >>> >>> respectively,) and >> >>> >>> I've slurped copies down to a local copy at work. >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> So that's where we're at. Some next questions to answer: >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> 1) Allison, are you still interested in taking over as the main >> >>> >>> admin? >> >>> >>> If so, I'll email you all the login info. >> >>> >>> 2) In the short term we're probably fine keeping the site where it >> >>> >>> is, >> >>> >>> but in the long run do we want to move it to Dan's server? >> >>> >>> 3) Now that we have a backup, we should probably update the >> MediaWiki >> >>> >>> software. I'm not familiar with HE's setup, so I don't know what >> >>> >>> versions of >> >>> >>> everything that it's running, but we can find out. >> >>> >>> 4) Obvs, but world domination and pizza, not necessarily in that >> >>> >>> order. >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> xoxoMilo >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> -- >> >>> >>> Milo Miller >> >>> >>> Co-Founder >> >>> >>> the Queer Zine Archive Project >> >>> >>> <http://www.qzap.org>http://www.qzap.org >> >>> >>> <milo@qzap.org>milo@qzap.org >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >

So, noon EST, right? I am setting ALL THE ALARMS. Allison On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 11:14 AM, Jenna Freedman <jfreedma@barnard.edu> wrote: > Yep! > > Jenna Freedman | Associate Director of Communications & Zine Librarian > LeFrak 111 | zines.barnard.edu | @barnlib <http://twitter.com/barnlib> | > https://jennafreedman.youcanbook.me > she, her > <http://zines.barnard.edu> > > On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 10:21 AM, Milo <milo@qzap.org> wrote: > >> I'm in! 12:00 EDT/11:00 CDT? >> >> -- >> Milo Miller >> Co-Founder >> the Queer Zine Archive Projecthttp://www.qzap.orgmilo@qzap.org >> >> On 6/2/16 6:59 PM, Jenna Freedman wrote: >> >> Hey pals, >> >> Some of this convo is beyond my expertise. I hope we can talk it out more >> though on the call on Saturday. Is everyone in for that? Allison, I'll text >> you a reminder! >> >> Jenna >> >> >> Jenna Freedman | Associate Director of Communications & Zine Librarian >> LeFrak 111 | zines.barnard.edu | @barnlib <http://twitter.com/barnlib> | >> https://jennafreedman.youcanbook.me >> she, her >> >> On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 5:49 PM, Elissah Becknell < >> <Elissah.Becknell@minneapolis.edu>Elissah.Becknell@minneapolis.edu> >> wrote: >> >>> Hello everyone, >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks for the updates about something you already discussed in the ZUC >>> meetings (which I hope to attend this summer). Sorry for dredging up the >>> past. >>> >>> >>> >>> I really like the idea of ZineWiki as the Union Catalog with infoboxes >>> as the Authority Control. I thought this was, perhaps, where Jenna was >>> going with the infoboxes. >>> >>> >>> >>> However, it sounds like there are 2 lines of thinking that need to be >>> reconciled (quoting Allison because it was great): >>> >>> >>> >>> We've talked about ZineWiki in the context of two conversations: >>> >>> - Authority control for zine titles and zinesters (ZineWiki article URL >>> becomes the URI) >>> >>> - ZineWiki *as* the union catalog. In this approach, we've talked >>> about using infoboxes for structured/linked data a la wikidata, and using >>> categories or a similar construct for holdings information. >>> >>> >>> >>> I think we might be bumping up against a technology question: Can >>> ZineWiki do infoboxes and can these infoboxes be managed (or at least >>> collected) on the backend? >>> >>> -If so, we have an Authority File! >>> >>> -If not, we might need to have a more traditional wiki structure: Author >>> Pages and Zine Title Pages (with links in between), and these are the >>> Authorities. Also, I see a lot of “Other” Pages on Zine Wiki, neither >>> Author nor Zine title. That might need to be considered in this brave new >>> Zine Authorities world. >>> >>> >>> >>> Beyond the Authority question, I’m not seeing exactly where zine >>> metadata goes on Zine Wiki unless we agree to some entry standards on Zine >>> Pages. Many Zine Pages have all this wonderful narrative description that >>> I wouldn’t want to overlay with the more technical description of a zine >>> catalog record. The two types of data could share a page. Or, we simply >>> attach holding information to Zine Pages (which could be links to “Zine >>> Library Pages” on ZineWiki), and keep our zine bibliographic data in our >>> individual catalogs. >>> >>> >>> >>> Jenna had initially asked for help with an XML export, but now I see >>> that we need to figure out this structure thing first. As a cataloger, I >>> see lots of possibilities, but I probably need to follow rules. >>> >>> >>> >>> I think I’ve wrapped my brain around that, I’m sorry for being so out of >>> the loop. >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks everyone! >>> >>> Elissah Becknell >>> >>> Librarian & Instructor >>> >>> Minneapolis Community & Technical College Library >>> >>> 1501 Hennepin Avenue/Minneapolis, MN 55403 >>> >>> 612-200-5334 >>> >>> <elissah.becknell@minneapolis.edu>elissah.becknell@minneapolis.edu >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* Milo [mailto:milo@qzap.org] >>> *Sent:* Saturday, May 28, 2016 4:02 PM >>> *To:* Allison Jai O'Dell < <ajodell@gmail.com>ajodell@gmail.com>; Jenna >>> Freedman <jfreedma@barnard.edu> >>> *Cc:* Elissah Becknell < <Elissah.Becknell@minneapolis.edu> >>> Elissah.Becknell@minneapolis.edu>; dan10things@gmail.com >>> *Subject:* Re: ZineWiki Update >>> >>> >>> >>> I'm all for low-hanging fruit and egalitarinism. :-) >>> I've also been poking a bit a the infobox notion, and it seems like they >>> can also be created/controlled locally by templates. I haven't yet figured >>> out of those templates are linked or centrally managed by Wikipedia or if >>> they can be created and maintained locally. I just don't understand the >>> MediaWiki file structure. Anyway, if the latter is the case then it seems >>> like something totally manageable without worrying about Wikipedians. >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Milo Miller >>> >>> Co-Founder >>> >>> the Queer Zine Archive Project >>> >>> http://www.qzap.org >>> >>> milo@qzap.org >>> >>> On 5/28/16 2:48 PM, Allison Jai O'Dell wrote: >>> >>> Yes, we talked (and worried!) about it. Your summary is accurate, >>> Jenna. >>> >>> >>> >>> I wonder if we could bring the conversation back to our use cases. >>> Linked data facilitates two things: semi-easier data integration and SEO. >>> But we *still* need a front-end union catalog for discovering zines across >>> collections. >>> >>> >>> >>> We've talked about ZineWiki in the context of two conversations: >>> >>> - Authority control for zine titles and zinesters (ZineWiki article URL >>> becomes the URI) >>> >>> - ZineWiki *as* the union catalog. In this approach, we've talked >>> about using infoboxes for structured/linked data a la wikidata, and using >>> categories or a similar construct for holdings information. >>> >>> >>> >>> Now, I said let's talk about our user stories because we could >>> abandon/postpone the linked data aspect and still achieve a union catalog >>> through ZineWiki. We're all busy, and this seems like low-hanging fruit >>> while still being egalitarian and envelope-pushing in terms of cooperative >>> cataloging / mutual metadata creation. >>> >>> >>> >>> Thoughts? >>> >>> Allison >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sat, May 28, 2016 at 3:16 PM, Jenna Freedman < <jfreedma@barnard.edu> >>> jfreedma@barnard.edu> wrote: >>> >>> Hey Elissah, >>> >>> I *think* we talked about that very thing but worried that Wikipedians >>> would reject most zine/zinester entries. I know Alex Wrekk had a hard time >>> getting her entry to stand, and she's one of America's best known (i.e., >>> "notable") zine makers. Does anyone see a workaround for this or another >>> way into DBpedia??? >>> >>> Jenna >>> >>> >>> Jenna Freedman | Associate Director of Communications & Zine Librarian >>> LeFrak 111 | zines.barnard.edu | @barnlib <http://twitter.com/barnlib> >>> | <https://jennafreedman.youcanbook.me> >>> https://jennafreedman.youcanbook.me >>> >>> she, her >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 2:03 PM, Elissah Becknell < >>> Elissah.Becknell@minneapolis.edu> wrote: >>> >>> >>> Hello Jenna, >>> >>> Not to throw a wrench in your info boxes plans, but I wonder if we >>> should consider an alternative? >>> >>> Wikipedia info boxes are stored as linked data in DBpedia. If we >>> figured our a way to create the infrastructure on the back end of >>> Zinewiki/Wikimedia, we could harvest Wikipedia infoboxes from DBpedia. >>> >>> Like your Mimi Nguyen example: >>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mimi_Thi_Nguyen> >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mimi_Thi_Nguyen >>> >>> Here is an article about the process of harvesting infobox data: >>> Mohamed Morsey, Jens Lehmann, Sören Auer, Claus Stadler, Sebastian >>> Hellmann, (2012) "DBpedia and the live extraction of structured data from >>> Wikipedia", Program: electronic library and information systems, Vol. 46 >>> Iss: 2, pp.157 – 181 < >>> http://jens-lehmann.org/files/2012/program_el_dbpedia_live.pdf> >>> >>> I was going to spend some time looking into this next week. I'm on a >>> much needed vacation this week. >>> >>> http://wiki.dbpedia.org/about >>> >>> I'm wondering what other Zine Union Catalog people this of this? >>> Creating this linkage is a very semantic web thing to do. It's also work. >>> And, honestly, I don't know how to create more structured data (infoboxes) >>> without first creating them in Wikipedia. I don't know what it would take >>> to make Zinewiki a hub for DBpedia to harvest structured data. >>> >>> If we don't do this linked data approach, I completely understand. I >>> just thought I would put it out there to the group. >>> >>> Cheers! >>> Elissah >>> ________________________________________ >>> From: Dan Halligan < <dan10things@gmail.com>dan10things@gmail.com> >>> Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2016 12:42:39 PM >>> To: Jenna Freedman >>> Cc: Allison Jai O'Dell; Milo; Elissah Becknell >>> Subject: Re: ZineWiki Update >>> >>> >>> I think we need to work on ZineWiki's help pages, Wikis have gotten a >>> lot more robust since they were written and also some of the files >>> linked in them are broken. I can look into it in a few weeks, but I'm >>> doing press and promotions for the NW Pinball & Arcade Show and it's >>> in 2 weekends, my life is insanely busy right now. I updated the main >>> page to say that ZineWiki is up and running well again and people >>> should resume editing and article creation. >>> >>> In June I think we should go back to featuring a new zine every month >>> as the lead article so it starts looking different and updated when >>> people visit. >>> >>> On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 10:25 AM, Jenna Freedman < >>> <jfreedma@barnard.edu>jfreedma@barnard.edu> wrote: >>> > Sorry--doing some research after the fact. We'll look into it the help >>> > pages! >>> > >>> > Jenna Freedman | Associate Director of Communications & Zine Librarian >>> > LeFrak 111 | zines.barnard.edu | @barnlib | >>> > <https://jennafreedman.youcanbook.me> >>> https://jennafreedman.youcanbook.me >>> > she, her >>> > >>> > On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 1:17 PM, Jenna Freedman < >>> <jfreedma@barnard.edu>jfreedma@barnard.edu> >>> > wrote: >>> >> >>> >> Do any of you know if we need to do anything to ZineWiki to get it to >>> >> render info boxes? >>> >> >>> >> We tried adding one to the Mimi Nguyen entry to no avail. >>> >> >>> >> Jenna >>> >> >>> >> Jenna Freedman | Associate Director of Communications & Zine Librarian >>> >> LeFrak 111 | zines.barnard.edu | @barnlib | >>> >> <https://jennafreedman.youcanbook.me> >>> https://jennafreedman.youcanbook.me >>> >> she, her >>> >> >>> >> On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 2:10 PM, Dan Halligan < >>> <dan10things@gmail.com>dan10things@gmail.com> >>> >> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> Oh, one other problem ZineWiki has experienced in the last year is a >>> >>> bot registering user after user continuously. Which has led to a >>> >>> massive fake userbase wasting serve space and leads to spam entries. >>> >>> If it's possible set up user registration to deter that, it would be >>> >>> awesome. If you look log of recent changes you will see what I mean, >>> >>> every 3-4 minutes a new fake user is being created: >>> >>> <http://zinewiki.com/Special:RecentChanges> >>> http://zinewiki.com/Special:RecentChanges >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 10:29 AM, Allison Jai O'Dell < >>> <ajodell@gmail.com>ajodell@gmail.com> >>> >>> wrote: >>> >>> > Hooray for all of this! I can take over as admin, unless you want >>> the >>> >>> > fun >>> >>> > of it, Milo! Working towards a May 30 writing deadline, so I will >>> jump >>> >>> > in >>> >>> > after that. >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > Allison >>> >>> > >>> >>> > On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 10:52 AM, Jenna Freedman < >>> <jfreedma@barnard.edu>jfreedma@barnard.edu> >>> >>> > wrote: >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> That is great happy wonderful news!!! >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> My student intern started today, and I'm going to have them work >>> on >>> >>> >> info >>> >>> >> boxes. My next step might be figuring out an XML export. I could >>> use >>> >>> >> help >>> >>> >> from Allison or Elissah maybe, advising me how to ask for it and >>> of >>> >>> >> which >>> >>> >> department. (I can also ask Billey for help on the "who" >>> question.") >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> Jenna >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> Jenna Freedman | Associate Director of Communications & Zine >>> Librarian >>> >>> >> LeFrak 111 | zines.barnard.edu | @barnlib | >>> >>> >> <https://jennafreedman.youcanbook.me> >>> https://jennafreedman.youcanbook.me >>> >>> >> she, her >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 10:02 AM, Milo < <milo@qzap.org> >>> milo@qzap.org> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Hi All, >>> >>> >>> I wanted to send out a "good news everyone!" update about >>> ZineWiki. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Over the weekend Denny sent the keys to the castle and his >>> blessings, >>> >>> >>> so >>> >>> >>> we now have the ability to work directly on the ZW site. >>> Currently >>> >>> >>> it's >>> >>> >>> being hosted at Hurricane Electric, and Jerianne is paying for >>> the >>> >>> >>> hosting. >>> >>> >>> It is my understanding that she would be willing to keep doing >>> so for >>> >>> >>> the >>> >>> >>> time being. The domain itself (zinewiki.com) is registered >>> through >>> >>> >>> Hover.com(Tucows) and registration renews in August. Currently >>> she >>> >>> >>> is >>> >>> >>> renewing it annually, but we certainly could extend it to 2 or 5 >>> >>> >>> years. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Anyway, last night, with Eric's help and guidance, I was able to >>> >>> >>> repair >>> >>> >>> the broken table in the database, so the search function is now >>> >>> >>> working, and >>> >>> >>> folks should be able to add pages at will. We were also able to >>> make >>> >>> >>> a >>> >>> >>> backup of the site and of the database (900mb and 1.3gb >>> >>> >>> respectively,) and >>> >>> >>> I've slurped copies down to a local copy at work. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> So that's where we're at. Some next questions to answer: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> 1) Allison, are you still interested in taking over as the main >>> >>> >>> admin? >>> >>> >>> If so, I'll email you all the login info. >>> >>> >>> 2) In the short term we're probably fine keeping the site where >>> it >>> >>> >>> is, >>> >>> >>> but in the long run do we want to move it to Dan's server? >>> >>> >>> 3) Now that we have a backup, we should probably update the >>> MediaWiki >>> >>> >>> software. I'm not familiar with HE's setup, so I don't know what >>> >>> >>> versions of >>> >>> >>> everything that it's running, but we can find out. >>> >>> >>> 4) Obvs, but world domination and pizza, not necessarily in that >>> >>> >>> order. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> xoxoMilo >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> >>> Milo Miller >>> >>> >>> Co-Founder >>> >>> >>> the Queer Zine Archive Project >>> >>> >>> <http://www.qzap.org>http://www.qzap.org >>> >>> >>> <milo@qzap.org>milo@qzap.org >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> > >>> >> >>> >> >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >

Noon in Gainesville! Jenna Freedman | Associate Director of Communications & Zine Librarian LeFrak 111 | zines.barnard.edu | @barnlib <http://twitter.com/barnlib> | https://jennafreedman.youcanbook.me she, her <http://zines.barnard.edu> On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 11:16 AM, Allison Jai O'Dell <ajodell@gmail.com> wrote: > So, noon EST, right? I am setting ALL THE ALARMS. > > Allison > > On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 11:14 AM, Jenna Freedman <jfreedma@barnard.edu> > wrote: > >> Yep! >> >> Jenna Freedman | Associate Director of Communications & Zine Librarian >> LeFrak 111 | zines.barnard.edu | @barnlib <http://twitter.com/barnlib> | >> https://jennafreedman.youcanbook.me >> she, her >> <http://zines.barnard.edu> >> >> On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 10:21 AM, Milo <milo@qzap.org> wrote: >> >>> I'm in! 12:00 EDT/11:00 CDT? >>> >>> -- >>> Milo Miller >>> Co-Founder >>> the Queer Zine Archive Projecthttp://www.qzap.orgmilo@qzap.org >>> >>> On 6/2/16 6:59 PM, Jenna Freedman wrote: >>> >>> Hey pals, >>> >>> Some of this convo is beyond my expertise. I hope we can talk it out >>> more though on the call on Saturday. Is everyone in for that? Allison, I'll >>> text you a reminder! >>> >>> Jenna >>> >>> >>> Jenna Freedman | Associate Director of Communications & Zine Librarian >>> LeFrak 111 | zines.barnard.edu | @barnlib <http://twitter.com/barnlib> >>> | https://jennafreedman.youcanbook.me >>> she, her >>> >>> On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 5:49 PM, Elissah Becknell < >>> <Elissah.Becknell@minneapolis.edu>Elissah.Becknell@minneapolis.edu> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Hello everyone, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Thanks for the updates about something you already discussed in the ZUC >>>> meetings (which I hope to attend this summer). Sorry for dredging up the >>>> past. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I really like the idea of ZineWiki as the Union Catalog with infoboxes >>>> as the Authority Control. I thought this was, perhaps, where Jenna was >>>> going with the infoboxes. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> However, it sounds like there are 2 lines of thinking that need to be >>>> reconciled (quoting Allison because it was great): >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> We've talked about ZineWiki in the context of two conversations: >>>> >>>> - Authority control for zine titles and zinesters (ZineWiki article URL >>>> becomes the URI) >>>> >>>> - ZineWiki *as* the union catalog. In this approach, we've talked >>>> about using infoboxes for structured/linked data a la wikidata, and using >>>> categories or a similar construct for holdings information. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I think we might be bumping up against a technology question: Can >>>> ZineWiki do infoboxes and can these infoboxes be managed (or at least >>>> collected) on the backend? >>>> >>>> -If so, we have an Authority File! >>>> >>>> -If not, we might need to have a more traditional wiki structure: >>>> Author Pages and Zine Title Pages (with links in between), and these are >>>> the Authorities. Also, I see a lot of “Other” Pages on Zine Wiki, neither >>>> Author nor Zine title. That might need to be considered in this brave new >>>> Zine Authorities world. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Beyond the Authority question, I’m not seeing exactly where zine >>>> metadata goes on Zine Wiki unless we agree to some entry standards on Zine >>>> Pages. Many Zine Pages have all this wonderful narrative description that >>>> I wouldn’t want to overlay with the more technical description of a zine >>>> catalog record. The two types of data could share a page. Or, we simply >>>> attach holding information to Zine Pages (which could be links to “Zine >>>> Library Pages” on ZineWiki), and keep our zine bibliographic data in our >>>> individual catalogs. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Jenna had initially asked for help with an XML export, but now I see >>>> that we need to figure out this structure thing first. As a cataloger, I >>>> see lots of possibilities, but I probably need to follow rules. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I think I’ve wrapped my brain around that, I’m sorry for being so out >>>> of the loop. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Thanks everyone! >>>> >>>> Elissah Becknell >>>> >>>> Librarian & Instructor >>>> >>>> Minneapolis Community & Technical College Library >>>> >>>> 1501 Hennepin Avenue/Minneapolis, MN 55403 >>>> >>>> 612-200-5334 >>>> >>>> <elissah.becknell@minneapolis.edu>elissah.becknell@minneapolis.edu >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* Milo [mailto:milo@qzap.org] >>>> *Sent:* Saturday, May 28, 2016 4:02 PM >>>> *To:* Allison Jai O'Dell < <ajodell@gmail.com>ajodell@gmail.com>; >>>> Jenna Freedman <jfreedma@barnard.edu> >>>> *Cc:* Elissah Becknell < <Elissah.Becknell@minneapolis.edu> >>>> Elissah.Becknell@minneapolis.edu>; dan10things@gmail.com >>>> *Subject:* Re: ZineWiki Update >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I'm all for low-hanging fruit and egalitarinism. :-) >>>> I've also been poking a bit a the infobox notion, and it seems like >>>> they can also be created/controlled locally by templates. I haven't yet >>>> figured out of those templates are linked or centrally managed by Wikipedia >>>> or if they can be created and maintained locally. I just don't understand >>>> the MediaWiki file structure. Anyway, if the latter is the case then it >>>> seems like something totally manageable without worrying about Wikipedians. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> Milo Miller >>>> >>>> Co-Founder >>>> >>>> the Queer Zine Archive Project >>>> >>>> http://www.qzap.org >>>> >>>> milo@qzap.org >>>> >>>> On 5/28/16 2:48 PM, Allison Jai O'Dell wrote: >>>> >>>> Yes, we talked (and worried!) about it. Your summary is accurate, >>>> Jenna. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I wonder if we could bring the conversation back to our use cases. >>>> Linked data facilitates two things: semi-easier data integration and SEO. >>>> But we *still* need a front-end union catalog for discovering zines across >>>> collections. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> We've talked about ZineWiki in the context of two conversations: >>>> >>>> - Authority control for zine titles and zinesters (ZineWiki article URL >>>> becomes the URI) >>>> >>>> - ZineWiki *as* the union catalog. In this approach, we've talked >>>> about using infoboxes for structured/linked data a la wikidata, and using >>>> categories or a similar construct for holdings information. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Now, I said let's talk about our user stories because we could >>>> abandon/postpone the linked data aspect and still achieve a union catalog >>>> through ZineWiki. We're all busy, and this seems like low-hanging fruit >>>> while still being egalitarian and envelope-pushing in terms of cooperative >>>> cataloging / mutual metadata creation. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Thoughts? >>>> >>>> Allison >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sat, May 28, 2016 at 3:16 PM, Jenna Freedman < >>>> <jfreedma@barnard.edu>jfreedma@barnard.edu> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hey Elissah, >>>> >>>> I *think* we talked about that very thing but worried that Wikipedians >>>> would reject most zine/zinester entries. I know Alex Wrekk had a hard time >>>> getting her entry to stand, and she's one of America's best known (i.e., >>>> "notable") zine makers. Does anyone see a workaround for this or another >>>> way into DBpedia??? >>>> >>>> Jenna >>>> >>>> >>>> Jenna Freedman | Associate Director of Communications & Zine Librarian >>>> LeFrak 111 | zines.barnard.edu | @barnlib <http://twitter.com/barnlib> >>>> | <https://jennafreedman.youcanbook.me> >>>> https://jennafreedman.youcanbook.me >>>> >>>> she, her >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 2:03 PM, Elissah Becknell < >>>> Elissah.Becknell@minneapolis.edu> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> Hello Jenna, >>>> >>>> Not to throw a wrench in your info boxes plans, but I wonder if we >>>> should consider an alternative? >>>> >>>> Wikipedia info boxes are stored as linked data in DBpedia. If we >>>> figured our a way to create the infrastructure on the back end of >>>> Zinewiki/Wikimedia, we could harvest Wikipedia infoboxes from DBpedia. >>>> >>>> Like your Mimi Nguyen example: >>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mimi_Thi_Nguyen> >>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mimi_Thi_Nguyen >>>> >>>> Here is an article about the process of harvesting infobox data: >>>> Mohamed Morsey, Jens Lehmann, Sören Auer, Claus Stadler, Sebastian >>>> Hellmann, (2012) "DBpedia and the live extraction of structured data from >>>> Wikipedia", Program: electronic library and information systems, Vol. 46 >>>> Iss: 2, pp.157 – 181 < >>>> http://jens-lehmann.org/files/2012/program_el_dbpedia_live.pdf> >>>> >>>> I was going to spend some time looking into this next week. I'm on a >>>> much needed vacation this week. >>>> >>>> http://wiki.dbpedia.org/about >>>> >>>> I'm wondering what other Zine Union Catalog people this of this? >>>> Creating this linkage is a very semantic web thing to do. It's also work. >>>> And, honestly, I don't know how to create more structured data (infoboxes) >>>> without first creating them in Wikipedia. I don't know what it would take >>>> to make Zinewiki a hub for DBpedia to harvest structured data. >>>> >>>> If we don't do this linked data approach, I completely understand. I >>>> just thought I would put it out there to the group. >>>> >>>> Cheers! >>>> Elissah >>>> ________________________________________ >>>> From: Dan Halligan < <dan10things@gmail.com>dan10things@gmail.com> >>>> Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2016 12:42:39 PM >>>> To: Jenna Freedman >>>> Cc: Allison Jai O'Dell; Milo; Elissah Becknell >>>> Subject: Re: ZineWiki Update >>>> >>>> >>>> I think we need to work on ZineWiki's help pages, Wikis have gotten a >>>> lot more robust since they were written and also some of the files >>>> linked in them are broken. I can look into it in a few weeks, but I'm >>>> doing press and promotions for the NW Pinball & Arcade Show and it's >>>> in 2 weekends, my life is insanely busy right now. I updated the main >>>> page to say that ZineWiki is up and running well again and people >>>> should resume editing and article creation. >>>> >>>> In June I think we should go back to featuring a new zine every month >>>> as the lead article so it starts looking different and updated when >>>> people visit. >>>> >>>> On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 10:25 AM, Jenna Freedman < >>>> <jfreedma@barnard.edu>jfreedma@barnard.edu> wrote: >>>> > Sorry--doing some research after the fact. We'll look into it the help >>>> > pages! >>>> > >>>> > Jenna Freedman | Associate Director of Communications & Zine Librarian >>>> > LeFrak 111 | zines.barnard.edu | @barnlib | >>>> > <https://jennafreedman.youcanbook.me> >>>> https://jennafreedman.youcanbook.me >>>> > she, her >>>> > >>>> > On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 1:17 PM, Jenna Freedman < >>>> <jfreedma@barnard.edu>jfreedma@barnard.edu> >>>> > wrote: >>>> >> >>>> >> Do any of you know if we need to do anything to ZineWiki to get it to >>>> >> render info boxes? >>>> >> >>>> >> We tried adding one to the Mimi Nguyen entry to no avail. >>>> >> >>>> >> Jenna >>>> >> >>>> >> Jenna Freedman | Associate Director of Communications & Zine >>>> Librarian >>>> >> LeFrak 111 | zines.barnard.edu | @barnlib | >>>> >> <https://jennafreedman.youcanbook.me> >>>> https://jennafreedman.youcanbook.me >>>> >> she, her >>>> >> >>>> >> On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 2:10 PM, Dan Halligan < >>>> <dan10things@gmail.com>dan10things@gmail.com> >>>> >> wrote: >>>> >>> >>>> >>> Oh, one other problem ZineWiki has experienced in the last year is a >>>> >>> bot registering user after user continuously. Which has led to a >>>> >>> massive fake userbase wasting serve space and leads to spam entries. >>>> >>> If it's possible set up user registration to deter that, it would be >>>> >>> awesome. If you look log of recent changes you will see what I mean, >>>> >>> every 3-4 minutes a new fake user is being created: >>>> >>> <http://zinewiki.com/Special:RecentChanges> >>>> http://zinewiki.com/Special:RecentChanges >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 10:29 AM, Allison Jai O'Dell < >>>> <ajodell@gmail.com>ajodell@gmail.com> >>>> >>> wrote: >>>> >>> > Hooray for all of this! I can take over as admin, unless you >>>> want the >>>> >>> > fun >>>> >>> > of it, Milo! Working towards a May 30 writing deadline, so I >>>> will jump >>>> >>> > in >>>> >>> > after that. >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> > Allison >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> > On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 10:52 AM, Jenna Freedman < >>>> <jfreedma@barnard.edu>jfreedma@barnard.edu> >>>> >>> > wrote: >>>> >>> >> >>>> >>> >> That is great happy wonderful news!!! >>>> >>> >> >>>> >>> >> My student intern started today, and I'm going to have them work >>>> on >>>> >>> >> info >>>> >>> >> boxes. My next step might be figuring out an XML export. I could >>>> use >>>> >>> >> help >>>> >>> >> from Allison or Elissah maybe, advising me how to ask for it and >>>> of >>>> >>> >> which >>>> >>> >> department. (I can also ask Billey for help on the "who" >>>> question.") >>>> >>> >> >>>> >>> >> Jenna >>>> >>> >> >>>> >>> >> >>>> >>> >> Jenna Freedman | Associate Director of Communications & Zine >>>> Librarian >>>> >>> >> LeFrak 111 | zines.barnard.edu | @barnlib | >>>> >>> >> <https://jennafreedman.youcanbook.me> >>>> https://jennafreedman.youcanbook.me >>>> >>> >> she, her >>>> >>> >> >>>> >>> >> On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 10:02 AM, Milo < <milo@qzap.org> >>>> milo@qzap.org> wrote: >>>> >>> >>> >>>> >>> >>> Hi All, >>>> >>> >>> I wanted to send out a "good news everyone!" update about >>>> ZineWiki. >>>> >>> >>> >>>> >>> >>> Over the weekend Denny sent the keys to the castle and his >>>> blessings, >>>> >>> >>> so >>>> >>> >>> we now have the ability to work directly on the ZW site. >>>> Currently >>>> >>> >>> it's >>>> >>> >>> being hosted at Hurricane Electric, and Jerianne is paying for >>>> the >>>> >>> >>> hosting. >>>> >>> >>> It is my understanding that she would be willing to keep doing >>>> so for >>>> >>> >>> the >>>> >>> >>> time being. The domain itself (zinewiki.com) is registered >>>> through >>>> >>> >>> Hover.com(Tucows) and registration renews in August. Currently >>>> she >>>> >>> >>> is >>>> >>> >>> renewing it annually, but we certainly could extend it to 2 or 5 >>>> >>> >>> years. >>>> >>> >>> >>>> >>> >>> Anyway, last night, with Eric's help and guidance, I was able to >>>> >>> >>> repair >>>> >>> >>> the broken table in the database, so the search function is now >>>> >>> >>> working, and >>>> >>> >>> folks should be able to add pages at will. We were also able >>>> to make >>>> >>> >>> a >>>> >>> >>> backup of the site and of the database (900mb and 1.3gb >>>> >>> >>> respectively,) and >>>> >>> >>> I've slurped copies down to a local copy at work. >>>> >>> >>> >>>> >>> >>> So that's where we're at. Some next questions to answer: >>>> >>> >>> >>>> >>> >>> 1) Allison, are you still interested in taking over as the main >>>> >>> >>> admin? >>>> >>> >>> If so, I'll email you all the login info. >>>> >>> >>> 2) In the short term we're probably fine keeping the site where >>>> it >>>> >>> >>> is, >>>> >>> >>> but in the long run do we want to move it to Dan's server? >>>> >>> >>> 3) Now that we have a backup, we should probably update the >>>> MediaWiki >>>> >>> >>> software. I'm not familiar with HE's setup, so I don't know what >>>> >>> >>> versions of >>>> >>> >>> everything that it's running, but we can find out. >>>> >>> >>> 4) Obvs, but world domination and pizza, not necessarily in that >>>> >>> >>> order. >>>> >>> >>> >>>> >>> >>> xoxoMilo >>>> >>> >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>> >>> >>> -- >>>> >>> >>> Milo Miller >>>> >>> >>> Co-Founder >>>> >>> >>> the Queer Zine Archive Project >>>> >>> >>> <http://www.qzap.org>http://www.qzap.org >>>> >>> >>> <milo@qzap.org>milo@qzap.org >>>> >>> >> >>>> >>> >> >>>> >>> > >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> >